Essential Baptist Principles™
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Volume 2 Current Article | June 1, 2003 | Issue 6 |
Religious Youth Camps/retreats
Because of the great change in the Baptist family over the last 200 years, it would come as a surprise to many of them today that there are still Baptists who oppose the introduction of such things as Christian retreats to teach the young people about Jesus and the church. However, if you believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament are the word of God and the only rule of faith and order, as the majority of Baptists in the past have, the only honest conclusion one can come to is that there is no precept or example in the scriptures for mixing worldly entertainment and church services/teachings, as most religious youth camps do. The scriptural pattern for spiritual teaching outside the church is home prayer and parental instructions. The Scriptural admonishment to the father obligates him in the matter. And ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Ephesians 6:4. Baptists in the past have also strongly believed in carrying their children to church services where they would be under the sound of the Gospel message. They did not segregate them into groups in Sunday schools, retreats, etc. Religious youth camps are just another example of mans inventions in which a futile attempt is made to help build the Lords Church. Except the Lord build the house they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. Psalms 127:1
The introduction of new practices such as religious youth camps or national preachers meetings among the Primitive Baptists have been introduced, not by claiming them to be early church practices, but their introduction has been justified by saying If the Scriptures are silent on an issue it may be implemented if it is not in violation of some clear instructions or New Testament pattern. The camouflaging statement It is affiliated with Primitive Baptist churches but is not sponsored by any church is also used in an attempt to justify the practice of religious Youth camps/retreats. It is a sad commentary against the Primitive Baptists for them to accept the introduction of such practices using that reasoning. All peace loving Primitive Baptists should leave such things alone and remain with the time honored practices of the Apostles and generations of faithful Baptists who have followed the New Testament Pattern.
Camp Moriah is a religious youth camp affiliated with a group calling themselves Primitive Baptists. On the following Web site the claim of regaining the spirit of first century Christianity is made. The following explanation of Camp Moriah is copied from that web site.
http://www.ripleypbc.org/camp_moriah.htm (as of April 2003)
The following explanation of Camp Moriah is copied from that web site.
Camp Moriah is a week-long summer camp that is owned and operated by Christian Activities, Inc. It is affiliated with Primitive Baptist churches but is not sponsored by any church. The camp grounds are located on the border of Mississippi and Tennessee, near Walnut, MS.
"Camp,"
as we call it, is a week enjoyed with other fellow Christians and Christian families who like getting away from the world for a brief time.
Many make this week their family vacation because it is such a truly wholesome experience. We have morning devotions, Bible studies, and
worship services to draw us nearer to God. There are also many recreational activities such as softball, basketball, volleyball, and
canoeing. Kids enjoy daily arts and crafts, and adults love the many good folks with whom to fellowship. The grounds and accommodations are
"rustic," which add to the fun of it all. Tasty meals are served three times daily. There are RV spots available and plenty of
space for tents.
http://www.campmoriah.org/index.html New Website as of October 2009
To be affiliated with the Primitive Baptists is to wear the name Primitive Baptist. To claim it is not a church sponsored organization and thereby not violating scripture is very disingenuous on the promoters part. It is abundantly clear that there was no such practice among the Apostles in the early church nor have I discovered this practice to be common among any Primitive Baptists other than some Progressives. If it was not a part of the early churchs activities then certainly you couldnt regain the spirit of first century Christianity by practicing such. In fact you would be denigrating Christianity by its practice.
But what about the argument that If the Scriptures are silent on an issue it may be implemented if it is not in violation of some clear instructions or New Testament pattern. Admittedly, it is not in violation of a clear instruction because there are no commandments saying do not have religious youth camps. That could also be said of other things the church has always stood against such as Gambling. By that standard we could allow card playing, lotteries or Bingo outside the church building in order to raise money and say that it was not part of the church, neither does it violate a clear instruction not to gamble. The fact that there is no New Testament pattern for religious youth camps, card playing, lotteries or bingo should be enough for peace loving Baptists to leave such things alone. Using the criteria mentioned above would open the door for all kinds of new practices that are not specifically mentioned in the scriptures.
In recent years it has also been said If one should take the position that every detail of practice must be spelled out in Scripture, questions could be raised about the use of hymn books, The promoters of this erroneous idea are implying that any new thing they desire to start could be justified, by comparing it to our use of songs books that are not specifically mentioned in the Scriptures. Their premise is flawed because the scriptures instruct us to sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with melody in our hearts. By printing some of those hymns and spiritual songs for the members to use in following the instruction to sing them would not introduce a new unscriptural practice. Religious youth camps have no such related instructions that can be used to justify the practice as being a scriptural practice.
This latest attempt at reforming the church along these lines is not a new thing, it has happened before. Around 1900 the Progressive movement began among the Primitive Baptists and the same two arguments mentioned above were used by the reformers in that day. This can be clearly seen in the following quote from the editorial writings of Elder C. H. Cayce. This was written in 1908 in response to those in Elder Cayce's day introducing false practices using the same arguments: "Teaching or practicing those things which the Scriptures authorize or command does not cause strife and confusion, or distress, in the Church of God. It is the teaching or practicing of things the Scriptures are silent upon that brings distress, sorrow, strife and confusion in the church. When people decide to reform the church and "start right up-to-date;" or when they decide that the Baptist have been wrong along the line, and start out to carry them back to "primitive" doctrine and practice -- in either or both such cases, they usually bring trouble and distress in the church. If the things the Scriptures are silent upon "are matters of privilege, and are to be used, or not used, as circumstances require," why not have an "ankle show'" or a "cake-walk," or an "ice cream festival," or an Epworth League, or a Baptist Young People's Union or Christian Endeavor Society, or "a living curiousity show," or any or all the many different inventions of men practices "as circumstances require" in the name of religion and Christianity?" Just as in Elder Cayces day, the present day promoters of reforming the church are the ones causing dissention and trouble in the church, not the ones standing against them.
What should be our position concerning those who support this practice? Should we continue to embrace them? It is clear that religious youth camps intermingle worldly activities with spiritual things, which is in direct opposition to scriptural teachings. (II Corinthians. 6:17) The scriptural admonishment is to come out from the world and be ye separate. Not mix worldly things with spiritual things. What about those who do not directly support religious youths camps but continue to fellowship those who actively support them? The answer should be clear; we are instructed to withdraw from all unscriptural practices. This must include those who continue to fellowship the active participants of unscriptural practices. (II Thessalonians 3:6)
In the year 1988 several ministers in the Atlanta area wrote a letter from which the following two quotes are taken. In accordance with Romans 16:17-18, we have marked certain preachers in the region of west Tennessee, East Arkansas, and North Mississippi as those who cause division, and are laboring so that Primitive Baptists in the Atlanta region might avoid them. These include Zachary Guess, Jerry McMinn, Bill Lee, Mike Strevel, Jerry Barber, and Bobby Poe. We have not done so for political or personal reasons, nor have we simply accepted the news from an unreliable grapevine, but feel that we have sound reasons for such a serious step.
2nd quote While it may be true that these men met with the obstacles of traditions early in their efforts to preach, their harsh overreaction has extended to bitter disrespect of gentle older brethren. Some, having been excluded by churches that observed this reaction, ignored their exclusion and continued to partake of and administer a form of the ordinances, putting themselves above the ruling of the church of their membership. One in particular entered into a church where he was trusted, gained the confidence of many of the members, drew them out of their home church, pretended to serve them, and then left them. These brethren have organized a vacation spot which started harmlessly, but has regressed to the point where "Primitive Baptist Youth Camp" shirts have been printed, and counselors that are not ordained have been instructed to conduct religious training exercises. To have elders encourage the division of age groups for worship is clearly unscriptural (Malachi 4:6, I. John 2:12-14). These actions are all established on reliable testimony.
The letter was signed by the following brethren: Elders Elzie D. Speir, Jr. ,Gus Harter, Daniel R. Hall, James R. Bowers, James C. Heard, C. A. Keaton, R. E. Cagle, Gerald Autry, Brice Haigler, James Pruitt, Randall E. Cagle, Clyde D. Meek, Charles Westbrook, C. Wayne Clayton, Elzie D. Speir Sr. ,Martin K. Smith. The complete letter can be seen at the following website link
http://www.pblib.org/Atlanta.html
Some of the brethren that signed the letter are now supportive of the marked men and their unscriptural practices as shown by their participation in the 1998 Shoal Creek Primitive Baptist Church, Newborn, GA, hosting of a "Retreat at the campgrounds of the FFA/FHA Center in Covington, GA. Elders Jimmy Fulmer (pastor of Shoal Creek), Gus Harter, Zack Guess, Thomas Mann and Marty Smith participated in this youth retreat or camp.
It has been about fifteen years since the aforementioned brethren raised a flag of warning over the introduction of the religious youth camps in the Memphis area. Due to certain Elders (without proper church labor) re-establishing fellowship with at least one of the Elders who was excluded in the 1960s and again marked by the Atlanta brethren in 1988; the cancer has spread to where a good percentage of Primitive Baptists are now in effect supporting youth camps in that they are having fellowship with those that actively support the practice. Im sure many Primitive Baptists would be alarmed and deny that they are supporting these camps because their church doesnt directly sponsor them. Their argument will not hold water however. As an example, how can you fellowship those who retain fornicators or adulterous persons in the church and you not be to some degree in support of that practice. Likewise, if you, your church or your association preach or in anyway fellowship ministers or churches that support religious youths camps; then you are in effect supporting the camps yourself. The Elders that re-established fellowship with the supporters of religious Youth camps have in effect joined them in their unscriptural practices whether they ever directly participate in a religious youth camp or not.
At the following web site link, you can read a first hand account of brother Glenn Latimer's experiences at Camp Moriah in 1983. He gives a detailed description of what went on at Camp Moriah in 1983 along with his impressions and views of such camps. Elder Claude McKee
www.essentialbaptistprinciples.org/misc_files/camp_moriah_part1_latimer.htm